"Get over here!"

I was wondering - does the "Fight" on this card (and similar Event-cards) triggers effects on Cards like "Frozen in Fear" (https://arkhamdb.com/card/01164) or the "Hunted by Byakats" from Barkham Horror?

They force you to spend something (an additional action / a ressource) to perform a "Fight" Action. Is the "action" you are performing with an Event card not a "Play a card from your hand" Action that just happens to have that "Fight" effect?

Tanks in advance!

Ratboy · 1
As long as it actually invokes the Fight, Move, or Evade action designator (in bold; as opposed to just happening to deal damage, cause you to move, or evade / exhaust and disengage enemies), and as long as it does actually cost an action (fast events and free triggers don't count as actions even if they invoke an action designator), Frozen in Fear will make Play or Activate actions cost an additional action. — Thatwasademo · 58
I think also in this particular case, unlike the example in the FAQ of using Duke to investigate a location with an additional cost, since the additional cost of Frozen in Fear is a cost to "perform one of the listed actions" rather than to "fight [any enemy, or some particular enemy]", you can't play the event at all unless you can pay the additional cost. The entire action of 'Get over here!' is all three of a play action, an engage action, and a fight action. — Thatwasademo · 58
(contrast, say, if there was some enemy with an additional cost to engage it that you couldn't pay, per that FAQ entry you could play 'Get over here!', move it to your location, and fight it without engaging it; or if an enemy had an additional cost to fight it which you couldn't pay, you could still use 'Get over here!' to move it to your location and engage it, but if you could pay the additional costs in either of those cases you'd be required to even if it was highly disadvantageous, like taking your last point of damage) — Thatwasademo · 58
@Thatwasademo, are you saying that playing this card spends three actions, rather than one? — komarinth · 1
@komarinth No, he's saying you'd need to pay any additional costs for each of those things because all three are happening at once. So if you had an enemy that said, "As an additional cost to fight the enemy discard cards with two agility icons" - you'd still have to do that. — Time4Tiddy · 247
Shocking Discovery

December 31, 2020
To provide clarity to anyone checking this page to ensure they're playing correctly, I will ask:
Is this the correct understanding on how the card works?

  • If you draw Shocking Discovery naturally (i.e. Upkeep phase, draw a card action, etc), then you shuffle the card back into your deck. That's it.

  • If Shocking Discovery is among the searched cards (i.e. Mr. "Rook", No Stone Unturned, etc), then you discard Shocking Discovery. You cancel the search, shuffle Mandy's deck, then draw the top card of the encounter deck. Shocking Discovery is now in your discard pile.

  • If you choose to use Mandy Thompson's ability to "resolve 1 additional target of the search" (ex: No Stone Unturned to search the top 6 cards of your deck and draw 2 of the searched cards instead of just 1 card), and Shocking Discovery is among the searched cards, the entire search is cancelled. This means that you do not draw a card at all because the entire search is cancelled. Then, you shuffle Mandy's deck and draw the top card of the encounter deck. Shocking Discovery is now in your discard pile.

VanyelAshke · 181
Yes. One edge case caveat tho: per the FAQ, a single card cannot be shuffled into an empty deck, so if Shocking Discovery was the last card in your deck when you draw it, the shuffle will fail, and let the text in parenthesis, you will discard Shocking Discovery and draw an encounter card. — Death by Chocolate · 1488
Agnes Baker

Review of parallel Agnes. I played her for 3 scenarios as cluer (our campaign isn't finished) and found her new ability better than i had expected.

Parallel Agnes can be found here. I created alternate weaknesses for all parallel investigator, based on the boss of each adventure which can be found here. Except the weakness for daisy, i haven't playtested them yet so changes are possible.

Stats

Base stats remain the same, but her HP and Sanity have been swapped. High means she excels when using spells and resisting many treacheries but her low other stats mean she can't do anything without spells.

Higher HP allows for more uses of her new ability. When the game was new, needed sanity to endure side effects of Shrivelling. With the addition of new asset spells like Azure Flame or Eye of Chaos that's not necessary anymore.

Ability

Her new abilites read:

  • As an additional cost to play a Spell event, you may take 1 damage. If you do, reduce the cost to play that event by 2, and you may shuffle that event back into your deck instead of discarding it.
  • effect: +1. You may heal 1 damage.

Like her old ability, it is both a blessing and curse because liberal use can kill you (enemy attacks, trecheries, location effects, Azure Flame,...). Her new ability is more flexible and gets better with new spell events. cards tend to be expansive and with limited charges so the first part of her ability really helps going all out on events. Shuffling them back into your deck is also a huge boon, as you might draw it again (i think i used read the signs 4-6 times in one scenario). Though it makes drawing other cards less likely.

As of writing this review, i'm not sure you can use her ability on spells that cost 0 ressources to shuffle them back into your deck. I'm assuming yes.

New is a straight heal, keeping her alive and allowing for more uses of her first ability. If you make liberal use of her first ability like i did, you will need this. Also note that it heals you if the test fails (so combos nice with fail to win stuff).

Deck Building

Similar to parallel Skids. When upgrading spells (not limited to events), you may keep the lower level version in your deck, which does not count against your deck size. For 2 XP each, you can have 20 Ward of Protection so you never need to worry about treacheries anymore (but the horror...).

Spells events of note LV 0:

  • Blinding Light: Evade with and 1 damage. Potentially lose 1 action, which is why i dislike this.
  • Deny Existence: Avoid some nasty effects and damage/ horror. Very scenario dependant.
  • Ethereal Form: Evade with + , very high chance of success and can't be engaged. Recommended.
  • Hypnotic Gaze: Very costly Dodge, may damage enemy. Enemy attacks can be avoided with tactics and effect is not reliable. Not recommended.
  • Moonlight Ritual: Useful in doom based decks. Take 1 damage to shuffle into your deck.
  • Open Gate: Qualifies for your ability, 1 ressources may not be worth 1 damage. Scenario dependant.
  • Read the Signs: Investigate with + , very high chance of success, gain 2 clues and ignore some effects. Recommended.
  • Spectral Razor: Fight with + , very high chance of success, included engage action and 3 damage on non elite. Recommended.
  • Storm of Spirits: Damages all enemies at your location. Recommended for 3-4 players.
  • Tides of Fate: Lots of / tokens. Use only if you need them for other cards.
  • Voice of Ra: Qualifies for your ability, so can be shuffled into your deck. Not recommended unless you need ressources.
  • Ward of Protection: Cancel a treachery that would ruin your day. Qualifies for your ability, so shuffle it into your deck. Recommended.

Agnes looses access to survivor lv 0-2 but gains Spells lv 0-3 and occult 0-3. Note that these spells are not limited to events.

This includes the following cards, at the time of writing of this review:

  • Hallowed Mirror: Your relic slot is heavily contested (Holy Rosary for more ), but bonded Soothing Melodys heal is very helpful. They're also spells for Arcane Initiate and your ability. Pay 1 damage, heal 2 damage and shuffle it back into your deck?
  • Hand of Fate: Very costly Dodge, may add . Not recommended, unless you need for other effects.
  • Blood Eclipse 1, 3: Take damage to deal more. 1 xp version is relatively efficient but i'd not recommend 3 xp version. I'd only take this if you're the groups fighter.
  • Radiant Smite: Combo with Tempt Fate for max damage. Rather unreliable unless Sister Mary is in your group, not recommended.
  • Obfuscation: Spell asset that ignores 3 OAs. Not recommended.
  • Suggestion: Spell asset that evades with + . Use events or some of the with extra effects instead, not recommended.
  • Archaic Glyphs: These require tests, but with her 2 base i wouldn't consider these.
  • Cryptic Grimoire: This card's upgrades have not been released as of writing this review. Tempt Fate and Tides of Fate may help to translate the grimoire.
  • Both versions of Feed the Mind require tests, so you're bound to fail.
  • Occult Lexicon: Hand slot that adds draw/ discard/ damage events.
  • Occult Invocation: Fight and discard cards for more damage. Arcane Initiate should keep your hand full, so recommended.
  • Segment of Onyx: Another contestant for relic slot, so very XP intense (Relic Hunter). Does nothing until you have all 3 parts and needs search effects to work (Backpack). 3 desk slots you lose for spell events. Not recommended.
  • Gaze of Ouraxsh: Testless damage, depending on blurse tokens revealed. Use only if your deck is built around that mechanic.
  • Alter Fate 1/ 3: Discard nastry treacheries. Scenario dependant.

In short, her new deckbuilding offers access to more combat spells and blurse tech. However lv 0-2 gives her access to cheap soaks and fail to win combo, which means card draw. Some of note:

Combos

Django · 5142
I saw someone in real-time use Hypnotic Gaze on a boss enemy and followed up with 4 Eldritch Inspirations to insta-kill it. — toastsushi · 74
Yowch. I think parallel Agnes is good, but that sounds broken. — SGPrometheus · 835
It needs XP and right cards to pull off. Also when using gaze, you need to pull one of the right tokens (or more cards to improve your chances). It also depends on the boss's damage/ horror (on upgarded gaze). It's definately a strong combo, but i don't think it's OP. In comparison, Shotgun can also deal 18 damage in 1 shot wtih 2x upgraded vicious blow and double or nothing. Any rogue with timeworn brand, leo and haste can attack for 10 damage with 5 actions. — Django · 5142
All the examples you have described all require XP as well as the right cards. Also I don't think it's worth considering a card like donut since that pretty much skews all other forms of what constitutes a boss-killer. — toastsushi · 74
Yeah, I'm not sure how many cards it would take for 10 actionless,testless damage to be considered broken. One definitely, but five is a lot of cards. I agree that we can dismiss DoN on the grounds that it's legitimately broken (citation: taboo list), and the rogue example you give takes 3 cards, 7xp, 13 resources, and 5 actions, all of which require tests. Agnes' combo takes 5 cards, 2xp, 3 resources (using her ability to cast Hypnotic Gaze), 1 damage to you, and no actions at all or tests. The hilarious part is, if you don't draw a spooky token on the evade, you just shuffle it back into your library and try again later. — SGPrometheus · 835
It actually costs you 3 xp each for the Ward of Protections. 2xp to upgrade from 0 to 2 and make the level 0 copies not count against card limits and another 1 to replace the level 2 WoP with fresh level 0 versions. Level 0 cards still cost 1xp to add to your deck unless you are filling a gap left behind by Exiled or otherwise permanently removed cards. — Death by Chocolate · 1488
Could you not just go Eldritch Inspiration (0) -> Eldritch Inspiration (1) -> WoP (0) for each WoP you need, for 2xp each? — suika · 9497
Handcuffs

There are already plenty of good reviews for this card, so I just want to add a quick update. Though she can't take the card, Trish Scarborough would be very grateful to any who uses it. As others have noted, you can still engage exhausted enemies and drag them around with you. Handcuffs allow you to haul some hapless bozo around for the entire scenario, making it a lot easier to fire your Scene of the Crimes (Roland, standing over another half-eaten corpse: "Did you do this, too, you sick bastard??" Handcuffed Young Deep One: "Bluurgle... Glorp!"). But all that's pretty situational, and probably not worth the three actions it takes to play the cuffs, then attach them, then engage the cuffed monster.

BUT Trish would just love to frog-march a ghoul minion through a scenario, thereby ensuring that her special ability is in effect at all times: no need to flirt with danger to snag that extra clue.

Not that this is the forum for such things, but an upgraded version of this card that lets you detach it from an enemy, say as a ability, would be great (and maybe some other mechanic to keep you from attaching it and detaching it in the same turn). Then 's would finally have a compelling and reusable evade option. And it fits thematically. You just didn't quite have the evidence to take the suspect in, so you had to cut him loose. (Roland: "You're free to go, Mr. Marsh. But I better not catch you skulking around these caves again! It's for your own safety, you understand: there's a murderous fishman on the loose." Young Deep One: "Gorble!")

I chuckled at the imagine of Roland dragging along a deep one — Cpt_nice · 79
We played trish and william through forgotten age and i agree this is nice for her abiltiy (williams signature weakness can be arrested as well). It's also nice if the handcuffed enemy qualifies as the closest cultist and no doom can be added to it. — Django · 5142
Handcuffs can also cause Mysterious Chanting to whiff completely if they are attached to the nearest Cultist. Really good card! — Zinjanthropus · 229
I know that its been a while since you posted this, but I just wanted to ask, technically she could run Handcuffs if you took versatile right? IK Versatile is (fairly) not regarded as an incredible pick since it bloats decks, but this seems almost like a perfect use case for it. — Novasoal · 4
Ended up playing a leg actually the same day trying out basically the same strat (Handcuffs on Nathanial Cho) and realized you would never want to actually put it on her since her fight is so low. One day im gonna find a good use case for versatile though! — Novasoal · 4
For versatile I've found it to be really good for norman withers (refill his level 0 cards). — Tacomental · 21